The “Markus Lanz” round will discuss compulsory corona vaccination and child vaccination. Karl Lauterbach distributes it again against the Stiko.
Hamburg – Markus Lanz will debate the corona virus and its consequences on Thursday evening. The focus is initially on the health ministers’ vaccination plans for children and adolescents from the age of twelve – past the Standing Vaccination Commission (Stiko).
For Karl Lauterbach (SPD) this decision is good news: “If we want to have a normal school year for the children, that the children can go to school without having to constantly interrupt school due to quarantine, if the children also enjoy safety that we already enjoy as vaccinated adults and if we want to prevent a whole generation of children from running the risk of being infected with the not harmless Delta variant, then that is good news. That is a message that should actually have been due earlier. ”
The ethicist Christiane Woopen points out that vaccines are already approved from the age of twelve, which Stiko merely waives a general recommendation. That is why she finds “the statement ‘We are now making a vaccination offer to young people from twelve’ either totally banal, because it already exists. Or it is a recommendation that the Stiko then slides away. And I can’t explain to myself how politicians can suddenly come to different insights than the Stiko. “
Corona discussion at “Markus Lanz”: “Politics has cheated scientifically”
Lauterbach tries to shed light on the darkness: “So far, politics has always followed the Stiko in providing scientific advice on vaccination issues. And here politicians have not come up with anything themselves, they have not followed Stiko, but other scientists. To put it simply: She cheated scientifically, she relied on other scientists. “The reason for this, explains Lauterbach, is” strongly evidence-based studies “that compare the risk of infection with the risk of vaccination.
The Stiko, explains Lauterbach, has “an incredible amount” to thank, “and they have done first-class work in the past. That will come again ”. Talkmaster Lanz bring these statements up to operating temperature: “But who’s going to judge that, Mr. Lauterbach? Do politicians judge whether they were good in the past? “Lauterbach refers to the back and forth of the Stiko with the Astrazeneca vaccine and maintains:” One or the other decision of the Stiko was unfortunate. “
Vaccination of children and adolescents: Karl Lauterbach hands out at “Markus Lanz” against the STIKO
“If they are wrong so often,” asks talk show host Lanz provocatively, “why don’t we get rid of them then?” “I’m quite sure,” replies Lauterbach, “that the Stiko will come into full bloom again.” Lanz wants to know again : “Who judges that? When will it be in full bloom? ”Lauterbach answers awkwardly – and hands it out implacably against Stiko chairman Thomas Mertens. Mertens accuses politicians of wanting to vaccinate children because they are not getting ahead with adults. That is not right, says Lauterbach and continues: “The vaccination offer that we want to offer the children now is a protection offer for the children themselves. It is only about the children, it is not about herd immunity.”
“But from what,” says Woopen, “should they be protected?” Although she is concerned about Long Covid, “the children would be protected by completely different measures. By preparing the schools in a completely different way now in the second year. The youngsters can now go to the pubs, but not to the schools. The universities are still partially restricted. “Woopen thinks:” The state, society, owes it to the parents to have a crystal clear picture of how this should work for the autumn. “
“Markus Lanz” – these were his guests on August 5th:
- Karl Lauterbach (SPD) – politician
- Prof. Christiane Woopen – ethicist
- Marco Wanderwitz (CDU) – politician
- Lukas Rietzschel – Author
Author Lukas Rietzschel explains his pandemic fatigue to the group as follows: “I consider myself reasonably informed, enlightened, and politically interested. And I have to say: There were times in this pandemic when I was extremely disappointed and I was so far that I would say I no longer understand it. ”He explains that he was“ disappointed by political communication, by mask affairs, by all of this enrichment that happened there, from the feeling that nobody is properly prepared – although they should actually know. ”The frustration with this situation was so great that he stopped following the news in January.
The Eastern Commissioner Marco Wanderwitz (CDU) does not want to rule out the possibility of mandatory vaccination: “If we come to the point that we do not achieve herd immunity, then we will of course have to lead this debate.” Lauterbach declines the situation with a view to Florida , where the hospitals are currently filling up again: “If we treat unvaccinated and vaccinated people equally, we would have a lot to do in the clinics again after a short time. The R value for the delta variant is 5.5 – that is more than twice as much as for the wild type. That means that it would spread so quickly among the unvaccinated that I would have severe cases in the hospital in the middle-aged groups as well. And of course we cannot allow that to happen. So what will happen? We will have different rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated people, otherwise it will not work. “
“Markus Lanz” – the conclusion of the show
The last “Markus Lanz” broadcast before the two-week summer break is about the coronavirus and the question of compulsory vaccination. There is no longer any question of “through the back door”, which could partially answer the author Lukas Rietzschel’s question “Why do politicians actually want to initiate debates?”. Karl Lauterbach campaigns for vaccinations and protective measures and distributes against the Stiko; the ethicist Christiane Woopen rarely interrupts him, but frowns all the more often. The politician Marco Wanderwitz stayed out of the vaccination debate for a long time before analyzing the political situation in the eastern German states towards the end of the program.